Rowan Williams and the SWP lies

by Disinterested anarcho Thu Feb 21, 2008 14:55

Which is more pathetic - the total and predictable disintegration of the SWP after getting into bed with the arch-opportunist Galloway and the Imams, or the fact that the CPGB still follow them around and spend so much bloody time analysing them, even after their collapse.

Personally, I'd opt for the CPGB, at least the SWP make some attempt to make themselves relevant to people outside of the tiny far-left, no matter how much of a disaster they've made of it.

by John Cornford Thu Feb 21, 2008 15:41

In this article Jim Moody shows that Britain is far from secular in its constitution.

In the current version of the CPGBs Draft programme (which is in the process of being redrafted) the CPGB say: “… though communists want to overcome all religious prejudices, we are the most consistent defenders of the individual’s freedom of conscience and freedom of worship.

“Communists therefore demand:

Separation of the Church of England from the state. End all state subsidies for religious institutions. Confiscate all Church of England property not directly related to acts of worship.
Freedom for all religious cults. Freedom for atheistic propaganda. Religious organisations and individuals have the right to propagate their ideas and seek to win converts. Opponents of religion have the same right.
End all state-sponsored religious propaganda and acts of worship. Religion is a private, not a state, matter. Religion can be taught as a subject of academic study, not as a means to indoctrinate children” (www.cpgb.org.uk/documents/cpgb/prog_demands.html#3_16).
This is the basis of a secular approach, which opposes both religious privilege and anti-religious discrimination, and which ensures equal treatment by the state for believer and non-believer.

In his article Jim Moody writes:

Many of the Church of England’s Anglo-catholics, moral crusaders, arch conservatives and other such reactionary diehards - as with the neo-traditionalist wing of islam - claim to stand for the timeless values handed down from god himself. In fact theirs is an entirely mythical past which is projected onto the present as a holy rejection of women’s equality, class solidarity, commodification, the ‘excesses’ of turbo capitalism and secularism. True, Williams grudgingly accepts the enlightenment. In his concluding remarks at the Royal Courts of Justice he described it as “a necessary wake-up call to religion”. But he clearly intends to roll back secularism.

Britain is, however, far from being a secular country, at least in terms of its constitution. The Church of England survives to this day as the established or official church, with the monarch as its titular head, its bishops sitting in the House of Lords, and its governing body framing legislation.

Full article at:

by cropbeye - None Mon Dec 15, 2008 23:36 cropbeye at yahoo dot com

Like most posters here I would like to see the disestablishment of the C of E in G.B.

Yet mehinks that the idea religion or more specifically Christianity has a lot of power in G.B is a tad paranoid.

The most powerfull man operating in G.B (amongst other places)

is probably Rupert Murdoch who is the first person in history to purport to be a Papal Knight and a Presbyterain at the
same time.

It would seem to be more religion as slapstick.

With such wollieness about religious identity in the realm surely this is a sign of weekness.

One can overly parse any article written by any leftist and read too much into it.

That said I am not making any excuses for Galloway.