RUC-PSNI nail their colours to the mast

by Mick Fri May 09, 2008 20:39

And here was i thinking that 'unionist consent' was the in fact the 'unionist veto'. Or so Sinn Féin used to think.

by Mike - Judean Popular Peoples Front Thu May 08, 2008 21:49

"The people living in Northern Ireland calling themselves British are not there by 'consent' . They arrived under a British flag of war in one of an endless steram of British misadventures "

And here was me thinking they were born there ?

by Bemused Thu May 08, 2008 20:30

Indeed the shape of the 'new' Ireland being constructed by Paisley and McGuinness was apparent today as they gave a platform to Tony O'Reilly to whinge about the fact companies planning on investing in the north might have to pay a little more tax than they would if investing in the south. Given Sinn Féin's oft repeated concerns about workers rights has Deputy McGuinness used his supposed tenacious negotiating skills to ensure union recognition and decent pay and conditions for workers in any new investments? I won't hold my breath.

by P C. Plod Thu May 08, 2008 12:11

All this talk of a United Ireland just shows that people know nothing of the 1916 Rising. The Rising/ Rebellion was nothing to do with a free Ireland but a people's democracy - A Socialist Republic. The fight for an Ireland free from British Occupation is what has given us with what we have today - a corrupt, brown envelope, political administration who care only about allowing the EU to now occupy us and make our decisions, taking part in the US Government's illegal wars, murdering millions of innocent Iraqis and closing public hospitals so private business can profit from our health while we still have to pay a health tax contribution! They care nothing about true freedom and democracy. Voting on whether we should hand over control to the EU whilst being bombarded by Government propaganda is no democracy - it is controlled voting. Just like the first Nice treaty. We got it wrong so we had to vote again - a controlled vote - you can vote how you like as long as it’s a 'yes' vote - democracy my foot!

A socialist republic means that working people run the country themselves, administered by Democracy - by using their democratic vote. There are no Govenments. Governments are the root of all evil. All those who live in Ireland (North and South, Northern Ireland and the 'Republic') should be free to express themselves (as long as they're not hurting others) however they choose. That is a Socialist Republic. No private companies pushing up the price of housing, pushing up our stealth taxes, pushing up grocery prices, just good clean workers' control. We should control how our communities are run, how much money needs to be put into the community and community projects - not some wealthy wannabe who is more interested in how much cash he can cram into his bank account. Stop supporting the Government, start supporting democracy and freedom because no Government can give you true financial and economic freedom.

by Bemused Wed May 07, 2008 13:01

'It's strange to think that distributing Republican propaganda is actually likely to set back hopes of a United Ireland.'

Are you suggesting that all groups should in the future refrain from distributing republican propagnada on the basis that it might offend unionism? Are we now at the fantastical position whereby Sinn Féin members will try and credibly argue that republicans should actually desist from being republicans. Is that not the position Home Rulers adopted in the early part of the last century.

'Odd too to think that a Royal Visit to Dublin would actually reassure people who consider themselves British that they would be safe and secure in a United Ireland. Consequently a Royal Visit woould bring a united Ireland closer. '

So do you reject the call from your North Kerry TD Martin Ferris opposing the visit of the British monarch to Ireland. Could you explain how a visit of the British monarch could bring a united Ireland closer?

'This sort of forward thinking is sadly of no interest to the dissident micro republican groups, who have no interest in the well-being of those who regard themselves as British in Ireland, and primarily want to scoop up members, SWP-like, from the fringes of other groups.'

Republicans of all hues have the interests of all those who live on the island. They just don't believe a minority should hold a veto. Your desire to deride others as dissident and micro and your party as mature and enlightened is becoming a little tiresome. Your party was well experienced in dimissing those who opposed it on the basis of its lack of an 'electoral mandate' over the years. Indeed Mr. Adams is very fond of describing how a small band of republicans kept the flame alive in the 1940s and 50s. On your logic people like Charlie Kerins, Sean McCaughey and Margaret Buckley were micro dissidents who should have thrown their lot in with Fianna Fail and would have saved us all from this messy business of challenging British rule in Ireland. Judging by Martin McGuinness' statement yesterday, the poacher has truly become game-keeper

by paul o toole Tue May 06, 2008 11:14

The people living in Northern Ireland calling themselves British are not there by 'consent' . They arrived under a British flag of war in one of an endless steram of British misadventures right up to modern times including Iraq and Afghanistan in a continnuing Imperialist misadventure.
There was never 'consent' asked of or wilfully given for the British invading anywhere as far as I am aware (perhaps you could enlighten) by what you now disgustingly describe as the 'Host Country' in which you invade. The Irish never gave consent and besides you never deemed it necessary because of my first point which you failed to address which is your belief in 'The Divine Right To Rule' . Superiority in military terms only - No consent needed. Which fills the gap you cannot fill with proper dialogue.
Im sure the Scottish planters would have been more likley to have wanted to stay in their own country than invade the 'host country.which never gave 'consent' given the last century of bloodletting and warfare, unless you think that war is actually a good thing-Ive a sneaking suspicion you do...

.....'The people of the North do not wish to exile, kill or enslave the people of the South so leave us alone too thank you very much.'....
...Ahhh how times have changed...

by Séamus Sat May 03, 2008 17:53

All of the people concerned with how unionists might feel, and yet no-one could care less about the feelings of the nationalist community of the six counties.

Fair play to éirígí, keep up the good work.

by Tricolour Sat May 03, 2008 17:33

It's strange to think that distributing Republican propaganda is actually likely to set back hopes of a United Ireland.

Odd too to think that a Royal Visit to Dublin would actually reassure people who consider themselves British that they would be safe and secure in a United Ireland. Consequently a Royal Visit woould bring a united Ireland closer.

This sort of forward thinking is sadly of no interest to the dissident micro republican groups, who have no interest in the well-being of those who regard themselves as British in Ireland, and primarily want to scoop up members, SWP-like, from the fringes of other groups.

by King Billy Forever Sat May 03, 2008 14:36

The Republic of Ireland would not let the Union Jack be flown on their territory.

Imagine if you were French a bunch of people started flying German flags and claiming that Strasbourg and Alsace were German?

I don't agree with sectarianism but neither do I agree with trouble making separatists who ignore the democratic will of the majority of the people of Northern Ireland who are British and wish to remain British.

You want a united Ireland. Fair enough. You will only get it when Unionists decide they want to live in a united Ireland.

If you want to live in an Irish Republic in the meantime you can if you want - go and live there!

The conflict is over and Protestants and Catholics want to live in peace.

People like you are determined to cause trouble and start the violence all over again.

I'm sure the majority of people in the south don't want a united ireland if it means people like you become citizens.

Asking us to join a united ireland is like asking a Corkman to become British.

by URL Sat May 03, 2008 11:13

Sorry.

Here's the url: http://www.eirigi.org/latest/latest030508.html