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Civil Service pay dispute ends in defeat

category national | worker & community struggles and protests | opinion/analysis author Wednesday September 15, 2004 09:32author by Time For Change - NIPSAauthor email tfc.nipsa at ntlworld dot com Report this post to the editors

Time for change in NIPSA – Time for a fighting democratic union

The end of the Civil Service pay dispute has been a bitter pill for NIPSA members to swallow. NIPSA members have fought the governments for eight months firmly believing that our campaign was about fundamental issues. As the dispute developed that view was confirmed.
This dispute has been a struggle for the right to be properly recognised as a trade union including the right to negotiate on behalf of members, it was a struggle for the end of low pay in the Civil Service and it was the a struggle to end pay inequality.
Unfortunately in the final settlement none of these issues was properly addressed.

The dispute spluttered to a halt when the majority of the NIPSA Civil Service Executive decided not to continue that struggle. It would be a mistake on the part of the government to misinterpret this outcome. Throughout the dispute it was clear that NIPSA members wished to escalate the struggle but they could not find a way to make their voices heard with sufficient force. The Executive majority has consistently been out of step and has in reality proved unequal to the task the members expected of them. NIPSA now has a very serious debate to conduct. Lessons must be learned and radical changes made to the union so that we are never again led to this position.

The history of this dispute has been one of marvellous determination by members and gross mistakes by the leadership; the concluding consultation was a farce. That consultation has left a number of unanswered questions.

• Did non Executive speakers address meetings when the Executive had specifically directed that Civil Service Executive speakers should do so?

• Did key areas of the union fail to hold meetings?

• Were branches polled without holding meetings?

The CS Executive, dominated by a ‘Reclaim the Union’ majority, have failed to deliver the victory in this dispute which should have been attainable. It is now time to censure that leadership and seek the right of the membership to receive a clear explanation and have an opportunity to debate that failure.
Branches should meet to discuss the outcome of the dispute and move motions calling for

• Publication of all the minutes of CS Exec Cttee meetings during the dispute (including previously omitted sections).
• Censure of the CS Executive
• A special CS Group conference to fully discuss the conduct of the dispute.

No one should doubt that from this debate and the experience of this dispute a stronger, fighting, democratic union will emerge to take forward this struggle.

 #   Title   Author   Date 
   Less Lies Please     Civil Servant    Wed Sep 15, 2004 11:14 
   Wassup?     Trotwatch    Wed Sep 15, 2004 11:19 
   did I miss something?     madge    Wed Sep 15, 2004 14:14 
   His majesty speaks     Haddenwatcher    Wed Sep 15, 2004 14:25 
   Madge might be on to something     Nordie    Wed Sep 15, 2004 15:47 
   Heres Another     Haddockwatch    Wed Sep 15, 2004 17:18 
   and another thing ....     madge    Wed Sep 15, 2004 17:52 
   Honest SP Members     Curious    Wed Sep 15, 2004 18:23 
   simple as far as I can see     hs    Wed Sep 15, 2004 19:19 
 10   democracy     NIPSA member    Wed Sep 15, 2004 19:49 
 11   Not So Simple     Trotwatch    Wed Sep 15, 2004 19:51 
 12   Which one??????     NIPSA member    Wed Sep 15, 2004 19:53 
 13   NIPSA member     Curious    Wed Sep 15, 2004 19:54 
 14   Answers     Trotwatch    Wed Sep 15, 2004 20:00 
 15   Not much to go on     NIPSA member    Wed Sep 15, 2004 20:01 
 16   Rigging     Trotwatch    Wed Sep 15, 2004 20:04 
 17   vote for ???     NIPSA member    Wed Sep 15, 2004 20:06 
 18   Debate on tactics     Brian Stewart    Wed Sep 15, 2004 20:07 
 19   NIPSA Member     Trotwatch    Wed Sep 15, 2004 20:09 
 20   Brian     Trotwatch    Wed Sep 15, 2004 20:12 
 21   Debate?     hs    Wed Sep 15, 2004 20:14 
 22   democracy     NIPSA member    Wed Sep 15, 2004 20:17 
 23   hs     Trotwatch    Wed Sep 15, 2004 20:18 
 24   NIPSA "member"     Trotwatch    Wed Sep 15, 2004 20:21 
 25   Reply to trotwatch     Brian    Wed Sep 15, 2004 20:25 
 26   Defeat     pat c    Wed Sep 15, 2004 20:27 
 27   trotwatch     hs    Wed Sep 15, 2004 20:27 
 28   Oh yes I am:)     NIPSA member    Wed Sep 15, 2004 20:28 
 29   Brian     Trotwatch    Wed Sep 15, 2004 20:28 
 30   i'm off     hs    Wed Sep 15, 2004 20:34 
 31   divide and rule     NIPSA member    Wed Sep 15, 2004 20:35 
 32   here we go again     madge    Wed Sep 15, 2004 21:17 
 33   An answer to madge     NIPSA member    Wed Sep 15, 2004 22:12 
 34   Fighting on     Brian    Thu Sep 16, 2004 10:31 
 35   Democratic debate     madge    Thu Sep 16, 2004 11:00 
 36   democratic debate     NIPSA member    Thu Sep 16, 2004 11:19 
 37   democratic debate     madge    Thu Sep 16, 2004 14:58 
 38   almost     NIPSA member    Thu Sep 16, 2004 19:13 
 39   po-faced whinging     John    Thu Sep 16, 2004 19:16 
 40   and also     John    Thu Sep 16, 2004 19:21 
 41   ?     NIPSA member    Thu Sep 16, 2004 19:25 
 42   Whose whingeing now     madge    Thu Sep 16, 2004 20:30 
 43   john     NIPSA member    Thu Sep 16, 2004 21:05 
 44   Whose at the party?     madge    Thu Sep 16, 2004 23:07 
 45   political control     NIPSA member    Fri Sep 17, 2004 00:18 
 46   nipsa- and democracy???     Bill McKeown    Fri Sep 17, 2004 04:11 
 47   political tolerance in NIPSA     NIPSA member    Fri Sep 17, 2004 08:43 
 48   a little bit political     MADGE    Fri Sep 17, 2004 10:24 
 49   pulic sector unions     freiheit    Fri Sep 17, 2004 10:47 
 50   Rights     Brian    Fri Sep 17, 2004 13:28 
 51   Rights     Brian    Fri Sep 17, 2004 13:32 
 52   nipsa pay dispute     carol    Thu Sep 23, 2004 03:07 
 53   CAROL     KINTAMA    Fri Sep 24, 2004 01:34 
 54   A whole 15 cups!     White Elephant    Fri Sep 24, 2004 14:09 
 55   paper round     madge    Fri Sep 24, 2004 23:30 
 56   paper red     kintama    Sat Sep 25, 2004 16:22 
 57   we keep hearing...     disgruntled    Sat Sep 25, 2004 23:14 
 58   NI Civil Service Dispute and the SP/SWP     Joe McCann    Sun Sep 26, 2004 04:34 
 59   nipsa and the socialists     jenny(also a civil servant)    Mon Sep 27, 2004 02:23 
 60   sarcasm? moi?     madge    Mon Sep 27, 2004 14:34 
 61   bureaucracy     impartial    Tue Sep 28, 2004 23:22 
 62   impartial?     madge    Wed Sep 29, 2004 00:01 
 63   prostrate problem     curious    Thu Sep 30, 2004 23:21 
 64   insania??     madge    Fri Oct 01, 2004 16:05 
 65   madge     Dame Edna    Fri Oct 01, 2004 16:57 
 66   dame edna     kintama    Fri Oct 01, 2004 20:50 
 67   "struggle" leads to nothing?     madge    Sat Oct 02, 2004 17:57 


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