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Labour's Leaflet lies

category national | eu | opinion/analysis author Tuesday June 10, 2008 01:18author by Galway woman Report this post to the editors

I just got a leaflet through the door from Labour today calling for a Yes vote. It is worse that I could have guessed.


One outright lie which I found infuriating is this:

"The right to give state aid to companies and in particular, to public services is not changed by Lisbon"

If they had actually bothered to check the Lisbon Treaty, and other EU directives and laws that will not be overturned by Lisbon, they would know that this was obviously not the case. For example:

Article 87 of the Treaty states: "Save as otherwise provided in the Treaties, any aid granted by a Member State or through State resources which
distorts or threatens to distort competition by favouring certain goods, shall insofar as it affects trade between Member States be incompatible with
the internal market".

Other relevant parts of the Treaty:

Article 98 of the Lisbon Treaty states that "The Member States and the Union will act in accordance with the principle of an open market economy with
free competition."

Article 3 gives EU leaders "exclusive competence" (i.e. control) in "the establishment of the competition rules necessary for the functioning of the
internal market".

[i.e. the EU will be making the rules, not the individual member states]

Protocal 6 states that this reference to the internal market "includes a system ensuring that competition is not distorted"

The business employers group IBEC, which is calling for a yes vote, is looking on privatisation as a good business opportunity. They have said about the Lisbon Treaty "A yes vote for the Lisbon Treaty creates the potential for increased opportunities for Irish business particularly in areas subject to increasing liberalisation [i.e. privatisation] such as Health, Education, Transport, Energy and the Environment

For more information on privatisation and the neo-liberal agenda see http://www.caeuc.org/index.php?q=node/319 and http://www.caeuc.org/index.php?q=node/8 and http://www.caeuc.org/files/HealthLib.pdf

Just a few other interesting things from the Labour Leaflet.

"Europe's laws will be required to be socially proofed to protect citizens. Your public services are also safeguarded"

(Ahem, no they will not be)

Also from the leaflet.

"Europe will play a major role in the eradication of Global Poverty and will take the lead in making our planet a fairer place for all"

But Article 188 of the Treaty gives the EU Commission power to negotiate with agencies such as the World Trade Organisation [which is promoting "free-trade" economics and the privatisation of public services, which devestates "third world" economies] and negotiate a common commercial policy. Countries will not be able to veto the results of these negotiations in most cases.

Article 188d states the EU's negotiating stance will be based on "the achievement of uniformity in measures of liberalisation" ["liberalisation" means pro-free market, and pro-privatisation].

The EU has recently been pushing for the "liberalisation" not just in the EU but also in Africa, the Carribean and Pacific countries, with whom they have been negotiating economic agreements.

The Labour Party leaflet also boasts that we will have:

"Guaranteed help from our EU partners in the event of a natural or man-made disaster or terrorist attack in Ireland"

If our government wasn't supporting US terrorism we wouldn't under any threat from anti-US-terror-terrorists, and in an EU with a pro-NATO foreign and defence policy we will be even more vulnerable. Also interesting that they don't mention that if other EU states have this obligation to us, we also have it to them.

The leaflet tells us:

"More transparent decision-making by Ministers who must act in public, not behind closed doors as at present"

Great, so now they can screw us more publicly. Arem't they kind of admitting here that the EU is full of shady deals behind closed doors? Why would we trust these people?

The leaflet also states:

"Tackling Climate Change is put on a legal basis. As a Union of 27 developed countries we can set the pace in addressing global warming"

A snails pace I think. The Lisbon Treaty says this about climate change:

Article 174 shall be amended as follows:

(a) in paragraph 1, the fourth indent shall be replaced by the following:

"– promoting measures at international level to deal with regional or worldwide

environmental problems, and in particular combating climate change.";

So measures to combat climate change will only be "promoted" in the Lisbon Treaty.There is no extra obligations etc. on states other than those that already exist under other treaties and laws. And neo-liberalism and free market economics, where the market need is put above everything else, is incompatable with environmentalism.

Contrast this weak statement on climate change, with the Lisbon Treaty's, much more definite pronouncements on military defence:

"Member States shall undertake progressively to improve their military capabilities. The Agency in the field of defence capabilities development, research, acquisition and armaments (hereinafter referred to as "the European Defence Agency") shall identify operational requirements, shall promote measures to satisfy those requirements, shall contribute to identifying and, where appropriate, implementing any measure needed to strengthen the industrial and technological base of the defence sector, shall participate in defining a European capabilities and armaments policy, and shall assist the Council in evaluating the improvement of military capabilitie

and the support for NATO, for example. e.g.

EU defence policy will "respect the obligations of certain Member States, which see their common defence realised in the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (NATO)... and be compatible with the common security and defence policy established within that framework

and "a more assertive [European] Union role in security and defence matters will contribute to the vitality of a renewed Atlantic Alliance"

[i.e. an alliance with the US in security and defence matters].

[If you want to find references to NATO in the Lisbon Treaty, download the document from www.lisbontreaty2008.ie . If you don't have any tool bar showing when you download the document - as if it wasn't hard enough to try to read! , you might first have to (a) click View on the top of the page.(b) Then go to Tool bars and then (c) the Show tool bars and click.

Once the tool bar is up go up to the top where there is a box with "find" written in it, do a search for North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (also you can click on the little arrow near this find box which gives you a menu and you can do a Full Readers Search, which seems to pick up more references for things. Do a search also for Atlantic Alliance.

I hope this doesn't sound too complicated, it took me a while to figure out how to turn the pages, and to do a quick search for key words, as the tool bar didn't show up when I downloaded the treaty!]

author by Desmond O'Toole - The Labour Partypublication date Wed Jun 11, 2008 12:57author address author phone Report this post to the editors

You accuse the Labour Party of lying on a leaflet that says:

"The right to give state aid to companies and in particular, to public services is not changed by Lisbon"

However, even the selective quotations that you make from the Treaty support the point that the Labour Party is making, i.e. that Lisbon does not change existing Treaty provisions on state-aids. Whether you agree with state-aids to companies which distort competition in the Single Market or not, the point that the Labour Party is making is perfectly clear and entirely correct - Lisbon changes nothing wrt existing EU restrictions.

The rest of your attack on the Labour Party is similarly wide of the mark, again!

author by paul o toolepublication date Wed Jun 11, 2008 13:41author email pauljotoole at eircom dot netauthor address author phone Report this post to the editors

How could the 'labour' party support a new constitution which undermines the hard fought for pay and conditions won by Irish workers who sarcrificed themselves over the decades against all odds, poverty and ridicule to achieve this. ? Why?
The EU has already ruled on a case (Lavalle)which is now EU precedent law, to judge any other case to follow on the subject of pay in regards to migrant workers accepting minimum wages. Irish craft workers and technicians will have to accept this minimum which is outside the hands of the Labour Relations Comission (LRC).
The Labour party in Ireland is becomming more like the New-Labour in London which are not dis-similar to the Labour party which laid the foundations for the Nazi party in Germany.
On the results of the Lavalle case alone the Labour Party in Ireland would be naturally opposed to this Constitution but they are not for some reason.
What is in it for their support ??.
Ruari Quinn last week in a disgusting display of intolerance peppered with liberal racist leanings started shouting about the hijab being worn by moslem schoolchildren.
Whats he up to?? Dancing to the Neo-Con tune it would seem would it not??

Labour have a lot to answer for with this drastic U-turn in labour policy....and grandstanding on contentious issues, and above all, supporting this contraversial hugely intrusive EU programme.
The political landscape will forever be altered and most people cannot grasp the simplest of issues in it because of its deliberately complicating rhetoric.

Vote No.

author by Galway womanpublication date Wed Jun 11, 2008 19:33author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Hi Desmond, you wrote:

"even the selective quotations that you make from the Treaty support the point that the Labour Party is making, i.e. that Lisbon does not change existing Treaty provisions on state-aids."

The leaflet gives the impression, in a deliberately misleading way, that the state doesn't have a problem giving aid to companies etc. when it wants to, and that Lisbon won't change thing.

They could have said Lisbon won't change the issue of state aid to companies (not strictly true either though as far as I can make out) because it is already a crap situation, where privatisation is already being forced on transport, electrical and postal companies, for example, yet "amazingly" they left this out.

Are you saying the Labour party now support the privatisaiton of vital public services such as the ESB, water etc? So that you don't care that Lisbon helps the push towards privatisation with it's emphasis on "undistorted competition" and neoliberal economics? (That is somewhat rhetorical, as your actions show the Labour party have dropped all pretence of being a socialist party)

Also the Lisbon Treaty removed the Veto on "liberalising" certain social services. So there will be a vital change if this gets voted in. Basically everything will be up for grabs.

It would be worth reading up on the General Agreement on Trade in Services and the WTO (if you google that results will come up) just to see that every public service under the sun is potentially going to be privatised.

What is in the Lisbon Treaty certainly does not square with the labour leaflet claim that ". Your public services are also safeguarded". That is just a joke of a statement, which would be funny if it weren't so serious.

I didn't notice when I wrote my original criticism either this statement from the Labour Party leaflet, which is almost more ridiculous than some of the others, if that is possible:

"No power are taken from any Member State by this Treaty."

Ahem, why do you think are we having a referendum then? EU Treaty's are almost always going to inevitably involve some transfer of power or compentency, or "giving up" of something. This is not per-say a bad thing, or at least it wouldn't be if whatever was being done was good, and the EU wasn't such a corrupt and undemocratic institution.

But there is no question that there is a transfer of some major powers in this Treaty. Check out Howard Holby's post of compentency transfers to the EU, for example.

And we are basically looking at the establishment of a United States of Europe (again, not necessarily a bad thing inherently, if it wasn't for the fact that the EU is so undemocratic).

If the Labour Party thinks the Lisbon Treaty is so great, why do they feel they have to hide the truth? Why not just come out and say what is in the Treaty and why they are for it?

If I thought something was great that was what I would do. I would deal with the issues, and not insult people by saying things like, that people shouldn't be throwing a "wobbly" at Europe (Gilmore) or just repeating vague irrelevant phrases about Europe being good to us, or that we need to be at the heart of Europe (or is that last one Fine Gael, just can't tell the difference these days).

Orla

author by margaretpublication date Fri Jun 20, 2008 14:34author address author phone Report this post to the editors

My area (Dublin SE) was plastered with posters of Labour Tds and ccouncillors - well airbrushed. When I first noticed them I wondered why they were there - then serious study revealed in small letters in the top left hand corner 'vote yes to europe' - not vote yes to lisbon. This was seriously misleading given the confusion about what the lisbon treaty actually meant. So I'm sure some thought it was about getting out or making moves that way and voted yes accordingly.

If you are (a) on the small side and (b) the poster was well up the lamppost you wouldn't be able to read the vote bit so you might be forgiven for thinking the 2009 local election had come earlier.

When the ITimes published the poll showing yes in the lead I started getting Labour leaflets but I was so disgusted by the posters the leaflets went into the green bin. I never saw any Labour Canvassers either in shopping centres or on the doorstep. I was thinking of voting for them after being betrayed by the Green(co -located hospitals etc) but now where do I go!

 
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