Charlie and the Provos

by the poet - (the future national one) Sat Jun 17, 2006 20:43

No man described as doing his bit at the coalface of nationhood & a patriot to his fingernails in one short speech by Bertie Ahern could have been far from the events of that period.
But I wouldn't limit the interpretive possibilities of future revealation by using the phrase the Haughey gang . Those years had more to do with the moor of Titus Andronicus than the moor Othello. & no mister Garland didn't burn down the embassy. Both old Sean the fugitive & the late Charlie not given the fallen general's horse were simply "torch-bearers" in aside to others.

http://www.indymedia.ie/article/74112
¿esoteric - aint I .:. ?

a great day out was had by very few.

CJH offered tax free artist lifestyles - the geographer Gerry is in front of benefited. So did Bertie's daughter

by Equaliszer777 Fri Jun 16, 2006 19:40

To try to provide arms to a beleaguered community to prevent genocide was the right thing to do. But what was the motive?
The Haughey gang didn't set up the Provos.
They had no control over that.
But the ruling group in the South were greatly alarmed at the prospect of all Ireland being destabilised.
They were desperate to protect their investments in the South and to insulate themselves from the coming storm by ensuring that the Provos would eclipse the Stickies and by getting the Provos to see the advantage for themselves in confining the mayhem north of the border.
The Haughey gang acted accordingly.

by Barry Thu Jun 15, 2006 15:52

The authors of this stickie smear seriously and honestly believed that attempting to stop a marauding mob of orange savages from burning down your street and killing a few of your neighbours was a sectarian act , which is why they moved most of their gear out of Belfast when the orangemen were set to attack . They moved plenty of it back in when the provos started to recruit though . I agree it was one of the very few positive things Haughey ever attempted to do and although his sins should never be forgotten that at least should be remembered .

by Historian Thu Jun 15, 2006 12:27

This is just a tired old rehash of the sticky line from 1970. "Haughey set up the Provos to prevent a socialist revolution". Utter nonsense and totally disproven by the historical record. You, Roy Johnston and Sean Garland are probably the only people in the world who still beleive. At least Haughey did recognise that the sh*t was going to hit the fan when the "intellectuals" of the AC were running around telling people that Catholic/Protestant unity was on the cards! As someone else said here, trying to provide weapons for the people of Belfast was one of the few honourable things the old bastard ever did.

by an craoibhin aoibhinn Thu Jun 15, 2006 12:04

O when men claim Ireland's freedom
The ones she'll choose to lead them
Will wear finely tailored Charvet shirts
From Gay Pareeeeeeeeee

by Donnchadh Thu Jun 15, 2006 02:13

The logic here is warped. One minute you say Haughey and co. saw that all hell was going to break loose in the north and took steps to prevent it moving south, then you say that all hell broke loose in the north because of Haughey's efforts to maintain his gravy train being disturbed in the south. Anyway, his attempt, no matter how incompetant, to aquire much needed weapons for the resistance in the six counties is one of the only really commendable things he did in his long career.

by Seriously Thu Jun 15, 2006 00:06

That thing above is completely incorrect. Complete bullshit.