Bombers died in attacks

by Anthony Tue Jul 12, 2005 19:50

Here's a direct link to the article Browser is referring to - appreciate the consideration shown by not pasting the long URL.

by gordon Wed Jul 13, 2005 12:56

Thats right, the bombers were British youths, with a their own interepretation of Isalm.

by Very curious Wed Jul 13, 2005 18:34

It probably says something about the alienation of young English men of Pakistani extraction that they would plant bombs. But I find it hard to believe all four wanted to die too, and would form a kind of suicide pact.
I think we have to consider the possibility that whoever organised them could have rigged their bombs to explode prematurely. They could have been "stabbed in the back" to protect someone else higher up in the chain of command.

by - Wed Jul 13, 2005 18:55

It is quite likely, but it proposes to our machines of logic "a chain of command" before we propose such we need to ook at a "chain of logistics".
it is interesting that we first mentioned the "suicide bomber" scenario here in imc ireland on the actual day in connection with the bus. It typified our analytic abilities to assess what little evidence we had. Rather than following the BBC theory of 24 terrorists working together, we put forward 7 as a number. 1 for each bomb with 3 others minimum somewhere else. These attacks were imitative, they were not as written before the work of military genius, there will be found no "mastermind".

Even for "perverse" religious types to attack so, they need last rites. Which is what marks them out, the religious nature of a "jihad" attack means the attacker must go through precise superstitious ritual to qualify his sacrifice. A trained soldier would just follow orders.

The bus attracts attention, unwanted nerves, no-one wants the precendent of an attack on a bus... But a bus unlike a tube passes through any city which if the modern type like London includes in its defences a series of radio frequency protection zones. These could detonate some types of bomb.

The british do not want for reasons of domestic "after-care" to use the term "suicide bomber".
& more than one of us connected the short route with a small team, and the clues pointed to non-londoners.
It is curious that Londoners don't bomb their city.
They know it is a fortress. Strange magical powers seem to protect it. & It is not the only such city.
I am using with care the word "magical". Perversion of extremist religion of any kind approaches such notions, of cause and consequence, of contact with the divine and of course supernatural protection from evil.
Only thus can anyone approach with such fervent belief the idea of desecrating their own body, putting it beyond burial and taking the lives of others.

Anyway now Pakistan and her international community must deal with its train collisions of today. & it is most tragically interesting to compare and contrast the language of shock, disbelief, sympathy, solidarity and so that cross the lines of communication in the global pakistani community.
The 22 year old man named from Leeds had been like countless of his town to his ethnic homeland in the north of Pakistan, nothing odd in that, but it is noteworthy that there are gender differences in the experiences of visiting the homeland. Little clues which push the envelope of "urban alienation". It is also noteworthy the high percentage of boarded up houses with their sitex squat proof shields and the lack of employment or investment infrastructure in Leeds and the apparant lack of infrastructure investment in Pakistan which has caused today's collision in the south and means travel in the northern regions is so difficult.

by derek Thu Jul 14, 2005 10:19

"It probably says something about the alienation of young English men of Pakistani extraction that they would plant bombs"

Come on!!! Britain is full of all races and religions co-existing peacefully.

Compare that with other theocracies or super-nationalist states.

by - Thu Jul 14, 2005 13:58

not living in peace. And just coz none of those groups have produced bombs their particular pecularities are ignored. Fact is, the more guns and explosives were handed in during the gun amnesties in England and london of the 1990s then are _licensed_ for protection in northern ireland, and figure in the dreary spire decomissioning lists of our closest neighbours.
The clue to pakistani young men and their problems lies I tell you, in pakistani young women and theirs'.

by ratna Fri Jul 15, 2005 15:09

Ever notice how people from post-1947 India seem to have intergrated much better into British society? Including all the Hindus and other minorities who have been forced to leave Pakistan (and were kicked out post-colonial Africa).