Seymour Hersh: The US War in Iran has Already Started

by Terry Sun Jan 08, 2006 03:09

I think you may have taken me up wrong there, which is partially to do with the way I worded the first sentence of my comment ending with:

... but now I am not so sure.' -The not so sure was supposed to refer to that I am not so sure there won't be more elections, because they want to keep up the facade but I am completely sure both elections were rigged.

Thanks for the links anyhow.

by redjade Sun Jan 08, 2006 02:21

Terry

If you are interested in this stuff the best source, IMO, is anything written up by Bob Fitrakis and Harvey Wasserman at The Free Press.

Here two good links, but check the links on the left side of the page for their ongoing investigations into what happened in Ohio.

I'd say that at this point there's at least a 'reasonable doubt' about the authenticity of the 2004 election in Ohio...


Ohio's Diebold Debacle: New machines call election results into question
http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2005/1593

Has American Democracy died an electronic death in Ohio 2005's referenda defeats?
http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2005/1593

by Terry Sun Jan 08, 2006 01:44

Hmm, I agree both elections were probably rigged and I initially also concluded there would be no further elections, but now I am not so sure.

If we consider the last election, John Kerry campaigned on a pro-war ticket also and basically claimed he would just use more troops. So really there was no real difference in terms of the net effect, although obviously PR style would differ a bit.

So I think when the time comes they may allow Bush to move off-stage and they will just have another candidate of their choice ready and overall it doesn't matter a great deal whether they are Rep or Dem. The subtle part is that when they rig the elections, they make it look realistic enough, by just swinging or inventing/destroying enough votes so that it sill looks like a contest.

With control of the electronic voting machines, the temptation would be to have your candidate win by huge margins, but really clever manipulation where you want to get the population to think there is still some form of democracy would go for the much smaller margins and I think that's exactly what they did in the last 2 elections and will likely do in the next.

by Dr. James Dwyer - Irish Druid Order Sat Jan 07, 2006 21:14 druidwise at eircom dot net Teach An Draoi, Killasser, County Mayo 094 92 52737

According to an article published in the Russian journal 'Pravda' (which means 'Truth') last year, Bush was not elected the second time either, but Bush-bought electronic vote counting technology was used to swing the 'election'. We can probably conclude from that, that there are unlikely to be future elections in the U.S. and that each time these Fascists appear to be losing control it will suffice to organise yet another outrage and invoke 'Special Powers' to maintain the status quo.

by redjade Thu Jan 27, 2005 13:47

Quicktime Video 5.2MB
http://onegoodmove.org/1gm/1gmarchive/001894.html

by redjade Thu Jan 27, 2005 13:02

Iran’s Nuclear Posture and the Scars of War
By Joost R. Hiltermann
http://www.merip.org/mero/mero011805.html

It is even likely that Saddam Hussein was so acutely aware of the gathering danger across the border that for purposes of deterrence he kept up the pretense of hiding WMD, while declaring formally -- and truthfully -- that his arsenal had been dismantled by UN inspectors. The comprehensive report on Iraq’s WMD “program-related activities,” filed on September 30, 2004 by former inspector Charles Duelfer, certainly suggests as much.[1] Iran, too, has issued repeated denials that it is pursuing WMD, demonstrating its innocence by placing its signature beneath all the key multilateral restraints the world has designed to put a brake on the development of such weapons: the Chemical Weapons Convention, the Biological Weapons Convention, the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and others.

by redjade Wed Jan 26, 2005 16:57

New York City's comptroller has begun to enlist other large institutional investors in Halliburton to pressure the company to end its business with Iran.

William Thompson controls $42 million invested in the company's stock for the pension funds of the New York City fire and police departments. He said last week that he had contacted the treasurer of North Carolina and the California state employees pension fund to gain support for his plan to introduce a resolution at Halliburton's annual shareholder meeting in May demanding a full accounting of the company's business dealings with Iran. Vice President Cheney ran Halliburton between 1995 and 2000.

In an interview last week, Mr. Thompson said the deal Halliburton forged to help develop the South Pars oil and gas field was "outrageous."

"It is astonishing. The federal government is pushing European companies to divest in Iran, meanwhile an American-based company is acquiring new and additional contracts," Mr. Thompson said.

http://www.nysun.com/article/8108

by redjade Thu Jan 20, 2005 23:31

→ Section 794. Gathering or delivering defense information to aid foreign government
18 United States Code section 794, subsection (b)
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/casecode/uscodes/18/parts/i/chapters/37/sections/section_794.html

- - - - -

Espionage by any other name
By Tony Blankley
http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20050118-093611-9660r.htm

''I am not an expert on these federal code sections, but a common-sense reading of their language would suggest, at the least, that federal prosecutors should review the information disclosed by Mr. Hersh to determine whether or not his conduct falls within the proscribed conduct of the statute.''

by redjade Wed Jan 19, 2005 15:33

Pentagon Press Release:
''Arrangements Mr. Hersh alleges between Under Secretary Douglas Feith and Israel, government or non-government, do not exist.  Here, Mr. Hersh is building on links created by the soft bigotry of some conspiracy theorists.  This reflects poorly on Mr. Hersh and the New Yorker.''

http://www.dod.mil/releases/2005/nr20050117-1987.html

-- -- --

Wolf Blitzer Interviews Seymour Hersh
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0501/16/le.01.html

BLITZER: So you're suggesting that by this coming summer, which is not that far away, if the diplomacy were to fail to convince the Iranian government to stop building some sort of nuclear bomb, you think the U.S. could launch commando strikes or aerial strikes?

HERSH: There are people who've talked to me inside the government whose information has been reliable to me. Obviously, you know, I've been doing alternative history for three years. They've been very reliable in the past. They say, look, this is on, this is going to happen. It's not contingent on Iraq; Iraq's separate. And we're also, as you know, escalating our efforts in the global war on terrorism around the world. We're trying to do more.

by redjade Wed Jan 19, 2005 15:26

Interesting to note that the FT doesn't also mention that Hersh is also jewish. - redjade

-- -- --
Pentagon lashes out at Iran claim
Financial Times
http://news.ft.com/cms/s/671eed44-6864-11d9-9183-00000e2511c8,ft_acl=,s01=1.html

Pentagon officials on Monday lashed out at a US magazine report which claimed they were preparing for possible strikes on Iran by carrying out secret reconnaissance missions inside the country, saying the article contained "fantastic claims" about programmes that do not exist.

[....]

"Mr Hirsch's sources feed him with rumour, innuendo, and assertions about meetings that never happened, programmes that do not exist, and statements by officials that were never made," the Mr [Lawrence] DiRita said.

[....]

It is also rare that defence officials single out a specific journalist for such vitriol. In one part of his statement, Mr DiRita appears to accuse Mr Hersh of anti-Semitism. Mr Hersh reported that Douglas Feith, the number three civilian at the Pentagon, has worked with Israeli military planners to find targets in Iran, a claim the Pentagon said built on "the soft bigotry of some conspiracy theorists". Mr Feith is Jewish. The Pentagon said not such contacts exist.

by Polaris Wed Jan 19, 2005 07:19

The problem with the Americans is that they tend to believe the image Hollywood projects about them.

by snake - City of Angels Tue Jan 18, 2005 18:16 snake at rasta dot nl

I was recently talking to a guy from USA, asking him what is the problem that makes USA to bomb the world, why do they try to be involved in so many things? His answer was “Well, we are trying to prevent ourselves; it’s just something we have to do. We cannot let Muslims to have more power than we do, because then they are gonna bomb us!”

What could we expect from a nation which thinks this way ? (this guy is quiet educated, but he still can represent the average citizens of USA, as he is as mentally vulnerable as most of them, with his mystical fear without reason, and with his talent to generalize really not connected to each other things).
I think the problem of US foreign policy starts here, otherwise it could have easier ways of solution.
Let’s just wish that Americans will start watching other news as well, besides the ones that US Government let’s them to watch, and let’s wish that they will have enough intellect to understand those news.

There is a joke about Bush, that he saw a dream about Chinese becoming Muslims! Oops

by Polaris Mon Jan 17, 2005 14:42

Lets hope they do not screw it up they way they screwed up Korea, Vietnam, Somalia, Granada, Bay of Pigs, Iranian Hostage debacle, Iraq, and just about everywhere else they have taken it upon themselves to get involved, except against a nation like China that would sort them out.

Pax Americana indeed !

Pathetic.