#IrelandStandswithGreece

by gurgler Wed Jul 15, 2015 06:25

Tell me rua, exactly what is totalitarian socialism?? is it totalitarian to want to prioritise housing and feeding people and giving them an education and good public healthcare, keeping the commons and public utilities and services in communal ownership and putting all that before individual or corporate profits and greed?

And how totalitarian would you describe NSA mass spying etc? Makes the stasi look like rank amateurs I think.
In fact the US police routinely kill more people than the NK government do, and they have more prisoners per capita than anyone else in the world including russia, china and NK.

And just how much of North Koreas economic woes, as with Cuba, are as a result of bullying , embargos and sanctions of the world's capitalist countries orchestrated by the US, for not capitulating to the will of global capitalism and finance, as opposed to the inherent evils of socialism/communism? And maybe North Korea are understandably paranoid as a result of 25% of their entire population being carpet bombed to death by the US? You regularly get made up lies about executions by packs of dogs and people eating grass in the DPRK in our papers but they fail to mention that particular fact very often. ruthlessly killing millions from 20,000 feet trumps the odd execution don't you think?.

The current system of "every rat for himself" capitalism would happily usurp the commons and all public utilities and put a toll booth on everything and leave the poor on the street homeless, hungry and unable to afford either healthcare of education if it could get away with it. Is that really so much better than what socialism aspires towards? Don't think so.

It's not Paul murphy's fault that the EU are a bunch of financial terrorists and fascists.
It is disingenuous to blame leftist politicians , trying to fight for a better world for the unelected unanswerable arrogant bullying, financial terrorism
and increasingly fascist nature of the EU. And whether Murphy drinks coffee or not is completely irrelevant.

Read crazy cat's link to see just how dirty a game the unanswerable EU fascists played with varoufakis and the greeks. That is the true face of EU fascism, i.e. the merger of corporate financial and state interests.

Clearly you are just having a few cheap shots at Paul Murphy. Probably some FG minion trying to score some political points or something yes?
Nice job FG are doing privatising away our country by stealth for our "friends" in Europe and US vulture funds.

Unlike the greeks, no need to threaten FG with cutting off bank liquidity and destroying our economy because FG are already all too willing to sell us out
without a fight. As long as they get some of the action.

And they'll always get a few useful idiots with stockholm syndrome to run interference, attack their political opponents and parrot their propaganda. probably for free too. If you are going to be a useful idiot and shoot your own class in the back at least get some money for it Rua! after all that's all that matters isn't it?

Yeah, socialism is evil......except of course when the rich want socialism for their debts, eh rua? But that's different isn't it?

by Rua Sat Jul 11, 2015 13:27

The thing is people don't realise just how dangerous socialism is,socialists tend to put their ideals and pride above the people,does he not realise that food on the table and money in the bank is more important than his idealology?

paul murphy may have the right intentions,don't get me wrong,but he won't be able to deal with the eurocrats,they are in the business A LOT LONGER than he is ,he's just the new kid on the block to be fair..

look at north korea,people are eating grass out of desperation from hunger,or what about venezuela and the empty supermarkets - a socialist statue of lenin or kim jong un may be nice to look at but you can't eat it can you??

by Crazy Cat Sat Jul 11, 2015 13:03

An article by Christian Salmon and Mediapart:

http://www.tlaxcala-int.org/article.asp?reference=15218

by Rational Ecologist. Wed Jul 08, 2015 09:37

A few questions need to be answered, or at least posed:
1. Who are the creditors(really, where does the magic money come from?).
2. How is credit created and what is it?(Gold Standard gone since 1930s, pretty much).
3. What is fractional reserve banking?
4. What is the role of BIS(Bank for International Settlements)?
5. Is China really the big story?
6. Is it looking a little like 1928/9? End of the Global Ponzi scheme?
7. Where did the vast majority of the bailout money go, and to whom?(see recent Joseph Stiglitz article).

by anon Mon Jul 06, 2015 23:52

Despite the victory in the referendum with a 61% No vote, the Greek finance minister Yanis Varoufakis has resigned and says he was put under pressure to do so.

This is what he wrote at: http://yanisvaroufakis.eu/2015/07/06/minister-no-more/

Minister No More!
Posted on July 6, 2015 by yanisv

The referendum of 5th July will stay in history as a unique moment when a small European nation rose up against debt-bondage.

Like all struggles for democratic rights, so too this historic rejection of the Eurogroup’s 25th June ultimatum comes with a large price tag attached. It is, therefore, essential that the great capital bestowed upon our government by the splendid NO vote be invested immediately into a YES to a proper resolution – to an agreement that involves debt restructuring, less austerity, redistribution in favour of the needy, and real reforms.

Soon after the announcement of the referendum results, I was made aware of a certain preference by some Eurogroup participants, and assorted ‘partners’, for my… ‘absence’ from its meetings; an idea that the Prime Minister judged to be potentially helpful to him in reaching an agreement. For this reason I am leaving the Ministry of Finance today.

I consider it my duty to help Alexis Tsipras exploit, as he sees fit, the capital that the Greek people granted us through yesterday’s referendum.

And I shall wear the creditors’ loathing with pride.

We of the Left know how to act collectively with no care for the privileges of office. I shall support fully Prime Minister Tsipras, the new Minister of Finance, and our government.

The superhuman effort to honour the brave people of Greece, and the famous OXI (NO) that they granted to democrats the world over, is just beginning.

The Empire is extremely predictable. The example of Greece is a textbook case of how the Empire uses banks to strangle a country with debt, creates a comprador ruling class, turns the national media into an instrument of imperial propaganda and tries to completely halt any democratic process by dealing only with the ruling class. By some quasi miracle this last phase has failed in the case of Greece.
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I also get the feeling that neither Tsirpas nor Varoufakis fully expected the tsunami which they unleashed with this referendum. But whatever may be the case, was is done is done and, to the absolute horror of the Eurobureaucrats, the Greek people have spoken and right now the Empire has only one option: to either co-opt or overthrow the Greek government, which ever works best.

My strictly personal feeling is that it is too late co-opt the government. Besides, both Tsipras and Varoufakis have become such hated figures amongst the Eurobureaucrats that overthrow is probably the preferred option.

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The example of Gaddafi clearly shows that a national leader can totally roll over and submit to the AngloZionists and *still* be overthrown. My guess is that no amount of concessions from Tripras will be enough to keep him in power.

...For one thing, the Germans and Americans more or less run, and even own, the place. Second, a good solid third of the country was willing to accept the terms of the ultimatum of the transnational plutocracy. Third, Greece is surrounded by NATO and instability on all sides. Fourth, the country’s entire media is owned by the AngloZionists. Fifth, Greece lacks natural resources or a good market outside the EU.

Unlike others, I do not fear the Greek military too much. Yes, it is generally on the side of the comprador elites but the last thing the EU wants is yet another Fascist military junta in power in an EU country. Also, the reaction of the Greek people to an overt coup might be very unpredictable.

I think that the most likely scenario is that the next thing that will happen is a Greek Maidan, followed by accusations of police brutality and all the rest of the typical color revolution scenario. At the end of the day, what will happen will largely depend on the stance which Tsipras and his party will take: if they seek to appease the Eurobureaucrats, if they offer infinite concessions and if they act like loyal “EU patriots” they will be crushed. But if they appeal directly to the Greek people and explain to them that this is a struggle for national-liberation and that they need the people’s support, help and protection, then they might well prevail, especially if they chose to break free from the Eurozone and turn to the Eurasian Economic Union and China for support. I hope that I am wrong, but I don’t see Tsipras daring to do something that dramatic. This is why I predict a color revolution next.

by anon Mon Jul 06, 2015 22:59

Thankfully the Greeks voted 61% No against further austerity demands by the country's EU-IMF creditors.

The banker and bond vultures have been spreading rumours that does would automatically result in a Greek exit of the Euro. This isn't necessarily true although it could be true if they did not agree to a write down on the debt. Considering the debt would be immediately be used to bailout the EU banks, it is really all about saving their own skin.

In an interview the country's finance minister, Yanis Varoufakis, said the No majority result was a vote in favour of democracy and social justice and will allow Athens to call on its partners to find a fair deal.

"As of tomorrow, with this brave 'No' the Greek people handed us.... we will extend a helping hand towards our lenders. We will call on each one of them to find common ground"