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Jump To Comment: 1 2 3 4 5 6Hi just to clarify - the 'pro choice' angle is beyond pro abortion as the movement begins with the full acceptance of abortion as a normal ok thing to do... so 'pro choice' seems to be to seek a more informed choice when considering the abortion side of things... I'm a little confused because if your issue isn't the choice between whether it's right to have an abortion or not... then what's the 'choice' bit in your movement name that your campaigning for? I think your own movement name is misleading! because you don't advocate the same level of consideration given to not having an abortion... therefore should you all not go under the banner 'pro better information on having an abortion' or something... I'm still confused by your 'pro choice' title and if you go to Wikipedia.org you will see that clearly the 'pro choice' movement is concerned with freer access to abortions and better information on having the abortion but not at all concerned with the issue of 'not having an abortion' as part of a 'choice' that an individual has to make with respect to their unique spiritual beliefs and feeling of innocence to that point where they are faced with this dilemma. Everything is made so easy these days where money is to be made and I suspect that the abortion business is no different... but many people do suffer mentally at a later date from having an abortion that was made 'all too easy' and without having discussed what support they would have had from their family at the time... and so on.. maybe some of your campaigners can clarify your definition of 'pro choice' and why you think that's a relevant title that covers the real choice for individuals at times of unplanned pregnancy which is 'will I have an abortion or not?' Note there are two very important sides to the choice that need to be addressed and it seems to me (confused?) that you only deal with one side based on your basic beliefs that abortion is 'aok' - so therefore do not cover the two angles that is 'choice'.
Am I wrong?
You shouldnt base your beliefs solely on Wiki. The "Clinic" which we are picketing gives out false information to women who have a crisis pregnancy. They also lie pretending that they give informatuion on all options. They do not.
Irish Women do not have a choice at the moment. Abortion is effectively outlawed in Ireland despite the X Case Judgement. Women are entitled to proper truthful information and should not have to suffer abuse from the crooks who run the fake "clinic".
Pro Choice means supporting A Womans Right To Choose: to chose to have a child, to choose to have an abortion, to choose which sort of contraception to use.
Dorothy Gale's comments are akin to saying that we have the right to do what we like. This laissez-faire approach to life would result in chaos if we all lived our lives accordingly. There is such a thing as personal responsibilty and perhaps the right appraoch is to say that a woman has the right to choose not to become pregnant.
Regarding the continued harrassment of the premises involved, this smacks of the antics of the Nazi's as they terrorised premises because they were owned by opponents and Jews. The referring to the premises as a "rouge" clinic sounds like propoganda straight from the pen of Bush, Chaney etc.
Seems like Youth Defence have settled on their line for trolling - when young women picket a "clinic" that tells lies to women and tries to frighten them out of making the choice they want to make, and are threatened by burly middle-aged men, they deserve to be compared to Nazis harassing Jews. And the "Jews" in this case have proven links with neo-Nazis. You couldn't make it up could you?
If you look through this and other threads related to reproductive rights
one thing is clearly evident, the attempt is being made to corner the
issues of rights into a very simplistic ideology which uses the language
of fear and loathing to bully and intimidate the right to free speech,
campaign and protest.
The abortion issue is always sited within the language of 'woman'
and not on the issue of girls/adolescents/patients or immigrants.
It is always sited within the issue of economy- money and cash
and not within the issue of lack of money/option/knowledge/travelling rights.
The language is either paternalistic or dismissive, in fact the trolling points
quite clearly not to an attempt to further discussion or debate on the
blind spots in legislation or the role of the partner in an abortionchoice but
to a concept of woman and abortion as a consumer option. I do not know
one woman who has aborted who chose to abort because she could- or
was flippant about it- but because she received medical advice from her
oncologist /social worker or gynae that it was in the interest of herself to do so.
Abortion is a private issue- not a simplistic notion and fear of sexuality
that adds nothing to discussion.
Actually for Life seems to think that intelligent discussion consists of painting those that you don't agree with as members of a group, full stop. Wrong, as I'm sure you are on many issues. I belong to no group and maintain that harrassing legal premises is wrong and will prove counterproductive. I also believe that human life begins at conception and accordingly this debate ought to be conducted with a modicum of dignity. If you want to spend an hour shouting and aggressively confronting those you disagree with, off you go.
The fact is that you may well be wrong on this issue and the consquences for someone else in that scenario is catastrophic. If I'm wrong, all that happens is I make a fool of myself. I can live with that.